Sorry to sound like a tired old record, but one of the reasons the phone-hacking story will not go away is because at so many stages, the key players have handled it so badly.
The latest example is the sudden overnight discovery of emails implicating Andy Coulson in the payment of cash to police officers while editor of the News of the World. How come all the previous internal and external investigations failed to find them? How come they emerge now, just as the Commons is about to debate the issue, and News International would probably prefer MPs to be talking about Cameron, Coulson and the past than the latest revolting allegations?
If I were Coulson, I would be feeling not just nervous, but hung out to dry. If I were Cameron, I would realise the point has come where he has to put all personal relationships to one side, and speak to and for the genuine public interest here.
That means an inquiry not merely into phone-hacking and the police mishandling of it – the subject of today’s debate – but an inquiry into the practices of the press, and the extent of criminal activity, including the network of journalists, private investigators and police.
This was exposed by the Information Commissioner some time ago, in a report which surprise surprise got zero coverage, and which showed The Daily Mail to be the worst offender.
Any inquiry must look into all newspapers, and it would be in the interests of all newspapers to support it. The tipping point has been reached where the public now see the press serves our country and our culture badly. It is up to David Cameron to point things in a different and better direction.
That means an inquiry where the big figures of the media, from Murdoch, Dacre et al down, and the police, and people who have been failed by both, can be central to a debate which leads to a new a different culture and a new and different regulatory system which is not the joke that is the PCC.
Cameron can’t play chess. He is no Bobby Fischer. He certainly displayed dismal judgement with Coulson, probably far worse than lack of insight. Within the repugnant Rebekah as evil Queen to Murdoch the King, our own P.M. is a mere pawn in their Machievellian game.
The phone hacking story will only add to the public mistrust of authority.
Many rely on their newspaper for information and opinion about the world in which they live. The relationship builds up over time into a personal connection and affiliation. They trust that whatever methods used to obtain the information they are presented will be in their personal interest.
The newspapers themselves did a very good job of eroding public trust in politicians. The outrage that was felt by many genuine and lasting. The effects of which are sill being felt today.
But with the newspapers themselves shown to be mired in their own sleaze and corruption there is a danger the public will start to feel anger and resentment towards ANY institutions they consider to be in authority.
And with this story looking highly likely to encompass the police as well there is a real danger that as trust erodes yet further there will be a genuine disconnect between the public and ALL facets of authority.
And at a time when people are being squeezed financially due to the incompetence of another previously hallowed institution, the banks, that is a potentially lethal combination.
Yep, you do sound like a tired old record. There really are much more important things going on in the world. And what exactly will a public enquiry achieve except cost an awful lot and line the pockets of the lawyers? If such an enquiry were to be as effective as the three on Iraq it will prove to be a complete waste of time and money.
For fear of laying myself open to court action I’m not going to post all of what I really think.
But a full investigation that looks into whether the top people at the NOTW have been lying, have been incompetant or have just created a layer of plausible deniability needs to be carried out as a matter of urgency.
It needs to consider if there has been any police or political influence in trying to bury the previous investigation.
It needs to follow the trail as far as it goes without hindrance.
If that goes all the way up to Murdoch or the PM, then that’s what needs to happen.
And if anyone is found guilty of illegal practices then they need to be punished to the full extent of the law. A fine just won’t cut it in these circumstances.
Excellent article in the Telegraph – “Cameron is in the sewer”. I like it. Now we know where spineless Cameron stands on the “matter”, firmly up to his knees with his “Chipping Norton Set” pals. Link,
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peteroborne/100095686/david-cameron-is-in-the-sewer-because-of-his-news-international-friends/
We are facing a crisis of press regulation. We need a public inquiry to get to the bottom of all this. British public wants action!
News Corp is not “fit and proper” to own whole of BSkyB in these circumstances. Jeremy Hunt must not allow the imminent takeover of BSkyB by News Corp.
David Cameron´s judgement is in question, too. It seems that Andy Coulson has authorised payments to police officers. Mr Cameron should have known better than to appoint Mr Coulson.
News International (NI), a dominant media company, has lied to the PCC. This brings corporate governance at NI into a question.
PCC´s lacklustre response to phone-hacking is a story on itself. What is the future of self-regulation now? Do we need new privacy law? PCC has no credibility left.
Labour is right to call Rebekah Brooks to resign. The final responsibility is with her even if she is innocent. But it is the duty of the editor to know where the information for the stories comes from because papers face huge costs if they print articles which are not true.
So if Ms Brooks and Mr Coulson never asked these important basic questions, they should not have been employed in their positions for a minute.
What about the police? Why the police closed down the inquiry in 2006? Why the police never informed thousands of victims? Was there a “special relationship” between police and NI?
Journalists cannot break or interfere with legal process as Simon Jenkins wrote in the Guardian.
We need respect for law. Commercial pressures should not overrun ethics.
Public has big appetite for personal trivia. But the result of the phone-hacking scandal may be that the NoW brand will disappear entirely to be replaced by Sunday Sun.
The scandal gets worse daily. For me the worst part so far has been that NI, police and the Tory-led government would have been happy to let us all believe in the one “rogue reporter” theory.
It will take long time for the trust to return. Meanwhile, we now need to know the whole truth so that nothing like this happens again.
The Information Commissioner’s report – which I certainly don’t remember – shows that the Daily Mail was five times as bad as the News of the World!
#CllrSGNorman
I am disgusted by the behaviour of News of the World but left with one bigger question. Andy Coulson was Editor of News of the World when much of the hacking took place. How do we know that he didn’t continue this practice once he started working for the Conservative Party? Why has this question not been asked? Think about the circumstances of the coalition birth? Nobody expected a Con-Lib coalition so what tricks were played behind the scenes?
Again, totally agree with Chris Lancashire. What exactly will an enquiry achieve, as usual it will probably be a total waste of time and money, they invariably are. If the police were doing their job properly we wouldn’t need an enquiry, just prosecutions but that doesn’t appear too likely at the moment.
The whole affair is a disgrace but no doubt it will be forgotten in a few months when the next scandal comes along and one or other of the main parties can attempt to use it for political gain, hypocrites all of them !!
More important than police corruption, criminal activity by press potentially at the highest level, with politicians looking on from the sidelines and backing their bona fides?
Which moon are you on?
I’m pleased and somewhat surprised that you found time to blog. When I went to bed you were on TV and had been on two consecutive programmes. When I switched on today, there you were again with Andrew Neill. I began to think you were doing a marathon sponsored punditry for charity.
Miliband was generally thought to have had a good a PMQs (even though he ignored your advice of not going on the Cameron/Coulson link). Yet the BBC One O’Clock News showed not one clip of Miliband at PMQs, just a clip of Cameron angrily denouncing the News of the World. Maybe we also need an inquiry into balance (or lack of it) in BBC political coverage.
The last defence eh Chris – there are more important things going on in the world. Waste of money etc.
When that defence gets rolled out, you always know that people on that side of the argument have exhausted all other possibilities. There may well be more important things – there invariably is of all but the most vital Government business. People are starving in Ethiopia, does that mean that we shouldn’t discuss the Dilnot report? Is the Big Society a pointless initiative because of the ongoing Israel-Palestine conflict?
This is an issue that deserves to be looked at and has festered for far too long. It is my opinion that the press have been destabilising the democratic process, pretty much since the late 80’s and is not, also in my opinion, a party political issue.
And yes, enquiries are expensive… but try telling the victims of Bloody Sunday, the mother of all enquiries, that all that money and time was spent in vain.
The sudden appearance of mysterious emails about Mr Coulson is surely more than diversionary tactic. It’s also an implied threat to Cameron – either back off NI or we’ll start to throw the dirt back at you. This could get much messier.
Two positives from all this could be that our politicians stop pandering to Murdoch, following him round the world for the sake of his endorsement, and that the public realise that the gutter press have for too long held power over politicians and that such publications are not worth buying or reading.
Gutter celebrity cheque book journalism may get strangled, and free speech may be a necessary victim.
For too long it has been obvious that the police tip off the press and it should be no surprise that money changes hands for such information.
1218 illegal activities in this regard from the Mail. What Price Privacy Now? Report. The debate – live from Commons now is laying this bare. This is really at the heart of life now, this is crucial to many central aspects of life now. I totally disagree with you.
in response to Olli:
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you have said. This murky trail needs to be followed right to the very top and if powerful heads are set rolling because of what is uncovered, then so be it. Both Clive Goodman and Glen Mulclaire were rightly punished for their crimes and have for the last five years, carried the can for pretty much all of it, the ‘rogue reporter’ and his ‘private eye’.This theory has been blown completely apart and the horrendous hacking of Milly Dowler’s and other innocent victims’ phones show how deeply the rot has set in and the revulsion felt by members of the public. Questions need to be asked not only of News International journalists, staff and executives (including Rupert Murdoch himself) but also the police and politicians who have allegedly been lied to, both in Parliament and out of it for years. Ed Miliband was right to question DC re: Andy Coulson at PMQs today, if he doesn’t do it, who will? DC coughed and spluttered but I must have gone temporarily deaf as i didn’t hear a word of apology from him about his poor judgement in hiring AC in the first place. A full, open, public inquiry would be a good first step on the long trek to better regulated press in this country but I believe things are going to get a whole lot worse for all involved before they get any better. The cracks are appearing but the house has to fall before it can be built again.
My view on this is that it goes further than the NOW and is systemic within the British media.
The internet has destroyed the newspapers’ business model so they are under pressure. Journalists are mostly middle class folk with skiing holidays and school fees to pay for so its become a no holds barred business where all that matters is getting a story.
The internet isn’t going away so this will continue to poison our political life and culture until someone in government is brave enough to grasp the nettle and properly regulate the media. Frankly, there are strong parallels with banking here.
They say never let a crisis go to waste – for me this is a pivotal moment
Absolutely right. Totally.
Free press or feral press that oppresses the public by burgling privacy as they have?
Free media is as important as fresh air to the public.
The Guardian has been as important here as the Telegraph was with parliamentary expenses.
Damp, stagnant air around these dark issues have lead to rot, botrytis and a fetid mould on the dank underbelly of British journalism that is gutter press embodied by the Sun, News of the World et al.
‘but try telling the victims of Bloody Sunday, the mother of all enquiries, that all that money and time was spent in vain.’
12 years and £200 million, £100 million of which went to lawyers and what was really got out of it ?, an outcome that most in the public believed was the case anyway.
Do you not think there could of been a better use of this money ?
Re your
“most in the public believed was the case anyway” ………………
I’m sure the bereaved families don’t see things your way at all.
Of course THEY knew what had been the case ‘anyway’ (sigh at the
bloodlessness of your evaluation) but they needed their relatives
to be exonerated and their memories untarnished.
The fact that certain groups of people’s fees are so high could be a problem worth tackling but when we see crude descriptions of those costs
shorthanded to the likes of ‘£400 per hour in court’ we should be aware of all the hours beforehand gathering, organising and checking info to be presented.
TB kicked the Bloody Sunday issue into the long grass for 12 plus years.
Cameron announced yesterday that inquiries would be launched after the police investigations had run their course, and presumably any prosecutions completed. (Could he have made them commence beforehand?) That will be another 12 plus years from now before any reports are completed! Murdoch will have influenced at least two more elections by then!
I’ve just come across the following comment on another high profile (reputable) Blog site. It’s getting a really good response there. Probably might not do so well on here, but it’s definately food for thought, imho!
“The police collude with the corporations who collude with the politicians who collude with the media – it’s the definition of fascism – pure and simple”
Sound familiar?
It’s people dumb enough to believe or swallow whatever they hear at the drop of a hat and without demanding proof that allows them to be used.
It’s people willing to pass along whatever they hear and don’t demand proof of that allows them to act like sheep, damaging entities but still sheep.
It’s their apparent pride in their behaviour that is totally baffling, especially when they describe others as ‘sheeple’.
What do we have here?
Someone that is a proven liar working for someone proven to be a manipulative bullying control freak who pushed people to give results and the free rein / no questions asked environment in which to produce them. Bullied person has access to huge funds to buy info in an environment where ‘Can I see the receipt and have a signature’ would be either a hilarious in-joke or be regarded as if a foreign language.
So ….. said claimant has to disguise the actual recipient; it’s like a recipe of ‘help yourself’ isn’t it?
MicheleB, why do you feel the need to personalise almost any and every comment I make?
I merely brought to the attention a comment made on another site, to anyone on here who may or may not find it of interest.
I didn’t describe you or anyone else on AC’s blog site as being among “the sheeple” as you very clearly implied. You seem determined to try and twist almost everything I write. That’s just weird.
“It’s their apparent pride in their behavior” you say. Again clearly aimed at me. You obviously have a problem with me and my comments! So why not simply ignore what I write. Many others probably do!
I’ve just come across the following comment on another high profile (reputable) Blog site. It’s getting a really good response there. Probably might not do so well on here, but it’s definately food for thought, imho!
“The police collude with the corporations who collude with the politicians who collude with the media – it’s the definition of fascism – pure and simple”
Sound familiar?
I assume you are referring to the Home Secretary who presided over the first police investigation?
I assume you are referring to the Home Secretary who presided over the first police investigation?
Re OP and
“The latest example is the sudden overnight discovery of emails”
I’d imagine this has all been known about for some time but it would have been wrong to out it before or during Bellfield’s trial.
Re OP and
“The latest example is the sudden overnight discovery of emails”
I’d imagine this has all been known about for some time but it would have been wrong to out it before or during Bellfield’s trial.
I’m bemused by this ‘analysis’ on the Beeb site :
Analysis:Iain Watson
Political correspondent, BBC News
Ed Miliband went to the Commons to demand an inquiry that he felt the prime minister would be reluctant to concede.
But David Cameron took the wind from his sails by raising the
possibility not only of one inquiry but two: one into into media
standards, another on how the police handled the initial hacking
revelations.
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It didn’t come over that way at all to me, looks like a kind of spin!
I’ve also been surprised to hear the Beeb reporting that Cameron ‘announced’ Inquiry/ies rather than ‘agreed to’.
Had it been an announcement wouldn’t it have been part of his PMQ ‘To Do’ for the day?
I’m bemused by this ‘analysis’ on the Beeb site :
Analysis:Iain Watson
Political correspondent, BBC News
Ed Miliband went to the Commons to demand an inquiry that he felt the prime minister would be reluctant to concede.
But David Cameron took the wind from his sails by raising the
possibility not only of one inquiry but two: one into into media
standards, another on how the police handled the initial hacking
revelations.
————————-
It didn’t come over that way at all to me, looks like a kind of spin!
I’ve also been surprised to hear the Beeb reporting that Cameron ‘announced’ Inquiry/ies rather than ‘agreed to’.
Had it been an announcement wouldn’t it have been part of his PMQ ‘To Do’ for the day?
Do SG and chris lancashire live together?
If not, why not?
Do SG and chris lancashire live together?
If not, why not?
I still feel so furious about the way you were treated by the media Alastair (in my opinion for doing such a brilliant job for the Labour government – OMG sorry to sound so sycophantic!) that I am in an absolute rage about the way that little snake Coulson is being allowed to slink around with all the red-tops avoiding the story by relegating it to a couple of pars on an inside page. Keep plugging the crimial activity of the DM as they seem to be getting away scot free.
I still feel so furious about the way you were treated by the media Alastair (in my opinion for doing such a brilliant job for the Labour government – OMG sorry to sound so sycophantic!) that I am in an absolute rage about the way that little snake Coulson is being allowed to slink around with all the red-tops avoiding the story by relegating it to a couple of pars on an inside page. Keep plugging the crimial activity of the DM as they seem to be getting away scot free.
I’m sure we’ll soon be treated to Mr Iannucci’s fabulous satire about Cam et al, probably named ‘In the Slick of it’.——Speaking of Mr Iannucci and (as I did a couple of weeks ago) Stewart Lee, I found a video of the routine I mentioned then. SL absolutely nailing the NQ1OU attitude of the Bulliboys :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPNLje9R_BgIt's pretty dark and oh so deep
The media and the dysfunctional power it holds, is turning this country into a right mess, constitutionally. Even after these revelations, the reaction of the present government yesterday was fairly muted, playing the matter down, it seemed. They were weighing up the balance, and it was towards boot-licking the power of the media, rather than for the good of the electorate who they represent. It stinks.
If we lived in a fascist society like Nazi Germany or another kind of one-party state totalitarian society like the former USSR I think we’d feel a big difference. In those societies the governments would not, for example, have done a U-turn on the proposed forest sell-off or any of the many U-turns the present Coalition has done. More likely the opposing voices would have been ‘disappeared’. This country is partially democratic because we and generations before us have made it so, and hopefully will continue to make it so. There is no correlation though between capitalism and democracy – capitalism can function under dictatorships as easily as under partial democracies. One major concern in this country is that our partial democracy is too democratic for a lot of people. They want everything simple, black and white, and spoonfed to them by father or mother figures, and it’s from this social base that fascism can grow. The quotation you’ve posted is very reminiscent of the position taken by Herbert Marcuse in his book, ‘One Dimensional Man’, very popular in the late 1960s. I now think Marcuse was both a pessimist and an optimist – he overestimated the degree of ‘brainwashing’ in society but he underestimated levels of consumption and human needs.
It would have been better and cheaper if the Tory government of the day had not unleashed the paras in the first place. But then they were the Conservative and Unionist Party so they naturally had little respect or time for Civil Rights marchers, People’s Democracy students and Catholics. With hindsight we can now count the cost – human and financial – that results from gross errors of judgement.
We know you are anti-Labour. This is not repeat not a party political issue.
The house at 25 Cromwell Street in Gloucester was demolished after the Fred and Rosemary West torture and murders came to light – who would want to live there?
The Winterbourne View care home is closed after the shocking ill treatment of its residents – same reason – who would want their relatives to go there?
The News of the World is a loss making subsidiary of Murdoch’s empire that he keeps to wield political influence. How much of that political influence remains today?
With pressure from advertisers and dissociation by such as the British Legion, several police investigations underway, senior news staff leaving, the threat of the affair to the BSKYB takeover……there will become a point at which Rupert Murdoch will conclude the NOTW is just too much trouble. Too costly.
Perhaps his best hope for the BSKYB bid to go through will be simply to announce the paper will not publish this weekend?
I don’t think the News of the World is loss-making. It’s the biggest circulation newspaper in the English-speaking world and is estimated to attract up to £1 million of advertising revenue per issue (until this week, of course).
The Times, on the other hand, loses around £40 million a year and may well be retained to wield influence and and to provide a fig leaf of quality journalism.
But before we admire Rupert’s willingness to bear heavy losses on some of his publications, it has to be remembered that the multinational operation makes vast profits and that his companies pay hardly any tax in the UK.
I just wish Dennis Potter were around to see the events of this week. You may remember that he gave the cancer that killed him the nickname ‘Rupert’.
‘Do SG and chris lancashire live together?If not, why not?’
How old are you Matt, 8 ?.
‘It would have been better and cheaper if the Tory government of the day had not unleashed the paras in the first place’
My point was about the usefulness of these inquiries and what they actually achieve, nothing to do with party politics, but since you raised it, the Labour party are no strangers to similar gross errors of judgement, yet on a slightly larger scale. Remind me, what was the cost – human and financial – of the Iraq war.
Excellent contribution on Radio 5 this morning Al.
Your banging on on the subject over many months is justified ++. However I cannot help thinking that your certainty as to the wrongdoing which had happened was based on your knowledge of where the bodies were burried from your time in No 10.
Most disgusting scenes of the week are of all the “brown nosers” who for so long crawled up Murdoch’s ****, now distancing themselves as rapidly as possible from him and his. How long before they are all snuggling up again with Cameron and Milliband writing facile articles in NOW, sharing column inches with breaking news that Cheryl Cole has broken a fingernail!
TB and you blurred celebrity with politics, and Murdoch’s henchmen thought that their position was unassailable, until their excesses overreached the latitude allowed them by successive governments.
In three months time will the NOW readership be higher than ever, on the basis that no publicity is bad publicity?
Just a suggestion Alastair – Any chance of a time to be posted on your blog front page to let everyone when it was last updated, with regards to comment approval? It helps in not needing to go into articles to see if it has been posted and to see if it has been replied to.
Must be technologically easily to do by modification of your blog section with help of your website software suppliers.
Ey? Didn’t Tony Blair as PM of the UK, apologised on behalf of the UK for Bloody Sunday? Or did I dream it?
And I know, any apologie for quite an apalling event via Para officers at the sharp end and their poor judgement of the situation on the ground can only go so far, Blair did his best. History is difficult to battle against.
Come Richard, you are showing your naivety here – it is all a game of chess it is, one move back, two moves forward, but Murdoch was trying to castle himself into a Queen. Get it? Or am I wasting my time typing this?
Nurse, Ehtch is out of bed again.
Ah yes, descend to accuse me to be should be institutionalised.
So I take it you work for news international. bully boy. Any chance of a fight coward – I’ll go to the expense to two sets of boxing gloves. But there again, with you cheats, you might send a ringer in, rather than you, Richard. I went to Sierra Leone fror a holiday Richard, or there again, maybe I didn’t. And it was a paid holiday, paid in dollars, for some reason…
ONLY JOKING! I am just reading these books at the moments on UK mercenaries and better than that the French Foreign Legion. Never been in Africa myself, honest.
watch?v=Og6PYGhd7Q0
Join the Legion, if you develope a problem afer Iraq and whastingstan…
Nurse, Ehtch hasn’t taken his tablets again.
Yes, Ehtch you were dreaming, old boy.
David Cameron apologised for Bloody Sunday in June 2010, Blair having kicked the issue into the long grass in1998.
Richard, you have a serious problem with me it seems. Is it because you are a serious english rugby supporter, or you want me to join MI5 – just spit it out will you, mon amie. Me qui, le vache englisseeee.
and Mo Mowlem threw her wig to Cork!
Perhaps – I picked up the stat about NOTW being loss making somewhere on the internet today.
I suspect that the advertisers who did not pull out in time this afternoon are still going to regret it – Tesco for example – their prevarication in the face of such illegality and wrongdoing was unfortunate, in the very least.
Further Richard, you are alright, even though you seem on happy pills, but I can tell, god, you are certainly not. Could give you a song, to you? I am sure you do – just for you Richard, remember, I gave this to you, just for you, somehow, in another world……
Jackson Browne,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49cjsqe9BWs
By the way, you are having ago on me, and being old armed forces, tends me to think you are trying to recruiy me for something.
News of the World throws it toys out of the cradle, and closes up shop!
Sums the c??ts up. Pathetic people.
TB set the Inquiry in motion in 1998, one year after becoming PM.
Are you blaming him for its longevity?
Take your own medicine.
Yes I agree about the Iraq war but you were talking about Bloody Sunday so that’s what I referred to. If you want to talk about other gross errors of judgement that’s fine – Suez 1956 would be another one, making Jefferey Archer Chairman of the Conservative Party would be another. Referring to Iraq 2003, that’s not much of a major party issue since the Tories supported Labour, and Michael Howard quite explicitly said in 2005 that if he had been Prime Minister he would have supported George Bush. One matter that concerns me is the number of Labour MPs who were not in the House of Commons on that crucial day in 2003 when the vote for war took place. But a key element of the New Labour project concerned out-Torying the Tories and Iraq was the classic example of this policy in action.
Incidentally it’s a pity this post has got separated from mine – people reading it must be wondering what you’re referring to.
Lots of very interesting bits in that post Dave. I have been giving them all some thought before replying to it. I believe you are correct when you write that if we were living in a fascist society we would know about it or as you said “I think we’d feel a big difference” But the ruling elite have come a long way since the days of Nazi Germany and the USSR. They have learned that a subtle almost undetectable approach works much better, requires a lot less effort from them and keeps the people reasonably contented for the time being at least. Regarding this government’s recent U-turns. That’s not nearly enough to convince me that it was due to democracy that these U-turns happened. But they were certainly useful enough to add to the illusion of democracy. But I have to admit to being a somewhat cynical person by nature, so I guess that that could possibly account for my views on that issue.
However, that being said I don’t/can’t believe we live in a fascist state or society right now. But the ingredients are definately in place for this country to be a totalitarian state. I completely agree that there are people who want to be spoonfed by the state and as you say fascism can grow from that social base. The real question there of course is, did those people get like that because they are lazy and incapable of looking after themselves and their families. Or, were they encouraged to become dependant on the state by a manipulative government. I personally think the answer to that is the latter premise, for obvious reasons.
Interesting times for us all.
No it was Cameron who apologised. Tony Blair was a key player in the Northern Ireland Peace Process which John Major had bungled, so I suppose Tony might be excused for not wanting to raise such a sensitive issue at such a sensitive time?
Try to take your own advice gillie, it wasn’t me that left a plethora of garbage for me this morning (including a couple about and across me to Dave in quite scurrilous gumslapping behaviour).
If you are posting about garbage you’ve read on another site you need to explain that as I doubt anyone here is your mindreader.
As for your penultimate sentence, Matron – heal thyself.
Ah yes Richard and Dave Simons, you are both right and I am wrong. Blair apologised for the famine and the testicle-less help the UK government then did to help the blight in the 1840’s.
NURSE! – Entch is now going on about the 1840’s now – this man needs certifying!, as Richard will no doubt comment! : )
Ah yes Richard and Dave Simons, you are both right and I am wrong. Blair apologised for the famine and the testicle-less help the UK government then did to help the blight in the 1840’s.
NURSE! – Entch is now going on about the 1840’s now – this man needs certifying!, as Richard will no doubt comment! : )