It will not have escaped most people’s notice that despite Labour being out of power, its senior figures continue to be held accountable whether via public inquiries, a media that sometimes seems to think we are still there, and a government that never misses an opportunity to paint a negative picture of a very successful period of office. Oh, and then there’s satire, though when I phoned home to check if anyone had taped The Hunt for Tony Blair, my nearest and dearest were watching The Sopranos … Yes, I know, taping old fashioned what with Sky Plus blah blah but as Cheltenham Festival goers found out a week ago, I am the man with an old Nokia and will probably get an iPhone when everyone else has stopped.
David Cameron was at it again last night, showing that he really does not get why his man Fox had to go, and showing that petulance always pops through when he is doing something he doesn’t want to. I caught a single clip of his reaction to the inevitable resignation of Liam Fox, and a large part of it was referring to ‘the mess Labour left us’. The mess he should have confronted was the one created by the frankly quite remarkable actions of his defence secretary, and by his tolerance of them for too long, a la Andy Coulson.
But neither Labour, the media nor the Parliamentary authorities should let the matter now close. Because the questions that led to the frenzy which led to the resignation have not gone away, and have now adequately been answered. So just as Labour still face questions from our time in government, Mr Fox still faces questions about his short tenure as defence secretary, and so does Mr Cameron.
The government, as they did with David Laws’ departure, will now try to induce an eye-rolling ‘let’s move on’ mood every time Fox’s name is raised. Labour should ignore the eye-rolling, and continue to get to the bottom of a bizarre ministerial scandal which says a lot about how the Tories think they can conduct their business.
## ps – I was not surprised Philip Hammond was slotted in at the MoD. He has always struck me as one of the more competent ministers. He was also showing himself up for the task of facing down the NIMBYs who want to stop the highspeed rail link. I don’t know much about Justine Greening, but I worry another casualty of Fox’s departure may be the train system the country needs. I hope she proves me wrong.
There is indeed a callous pomposity at the core of this government.
Epitomised indeed by disgarding constituent correspondence in public bins whilst ambling through the park – it is only voters after all. Oh yes, private government material too.
Public perception may serve Labour well – a storm surge, a sea change that will enablethe new shadow cabinet to be heard and understood.
The proposed path of the High Speed Rail Link through the Chilterns does not just affect the Tory-voting Nimbys who live there. It affects people like me – seasoned ramblers, lovers of what”s left of the class-ridden but still inspirational British countryside, unreconstructed Wordsworthians, members of long-established and powerful lobbying groups like the National Trust and the Campaign for the Protection of Rural England. We’ve heard it all before about the train system (or extra motorways or extra urban sprawl) the country, business and the economy needs, and how we must get into the twenty first century and not be backward-looking. It’s always the same argument trotted out to justify the next phase of irreversible devastation which somehow never quite delivers what it promises but fattens a few private pockets in the making. The Labour Party has a mixed record on the countryside, understandable given that most of it is owned by toffs and corporations, but it would do well to think long-term on this matter and remember some of its own green roots – like Fred Marshall and Green Belts, or the 1949 National Parks Act, or the Countryside and Rights of Way Act (2000), or early Ramsay MacDonald when he was a hiker – and the importance given by the Labour movement to people like Octavia Hill, William Morris, John Ruskin and Edward Carpenter.
So well has the rightwing press “brainwashed” British public that if the economy now turns for worse, twice as many people blame Labour (!) for it than the Tories.
So Mr Osborne´s wrong macroeconomic policy is all Labour´s fault. The eurozone´s problems were caused by Labour etc.
Back in May 2010 I wrote in my comment after the Dave and Nick Show in the rose garden of Downing Street that it is all too obvious what will happen with the Tory-led government. It would make mess of everything, and then it would blame Labour for it.
So no matter that Britain´s debt and deficit were lower than under John Major before the financial crisis caused by banks, it was all Labour´s fault.
The NAO has stated that it was the right thing to bail out the banks. The Tories opposed bank nationalisations, and now they claim that Labour caused the “mess”.
Had the banks not been rescued by Labour, Britain would have faced depression with lot of people losing their jobs, homes and savings.
The Tories opposed also fiscal stimulus and quantitative easing which helped to avoid the depression.
Before the global financial crisis caused by the collapse of Lehman Brothers in the US, Osborne and Cameron supported Labour´s spending plans and promised to match them.
George Osborne wanted even less regulation on the City.
And now they blame Labour for overspending and causing the mess. Shame on you!
I have done some “digging” on George Osborne´s connections and have found the following.
Mr Osborne is closely connected to Rothschilds who own half the world.
According to the Telegraph (Oct 2008) Lady Serena, the wife of Jacob Rothschild (worth £1.3bn), directly donated money to Mr Osborne´s office when he was in opposition.
Mr Osborne´s friend Nathaniel Rothschild claims that Osborne tried to persuade Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska to donate £50,000 to the Tories in violation of law.
The Rothschild family has connections to Bilderberg Group which was founded by David Rockefeller, the former chairman of Chase Manhattan bank.
Bilderberg Group is the most secretive strategy group in the world. According to Denis Healey its aim is a single community in the world (see the Guardian).
People must arrive at annual meetings alone. Wifes are not allowed. Bodyguards are not allowed in. No one is allowed to say a word about what goes on in the meetings to the press.
Top people from politics, finance, media and military attend these meetings.
Bilderberg Group nurtures promising young politicians. It also finances their campaigns.
People who have attended Bilderberg meetings have leaked details of what is really going on there. It is not a golfing club of “has-beens”.
Bilderberg Group sets the agenda for the world. If consensus is agreed, action is taken.
According to recent leaks the group now wants austerity in Europe and take on national sovereignty.
People who attended 2011 Bilderberg meeting in St Moritz, Switzerland, include: David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, top British bankers and top Eurocrats and central bankers.
George Osborne was there, too. As he was in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009.
By strange coincidence globalist elite backs International Crisis Group (ICG) to which George Soros belongs (Rockefeller Brothers Fund).
By strange coincidence Brookings Institute has links to Goldman Sachs, Jacob Rothschild, Nathaniel Rothschild and Rockefeller Brothers Fund.
Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) is funded by Goldman Sachs, Barclays Capital, JP Morgan Chase, Rothschild North America, Soros Fund Management, Moody´s, Exxon Mobil and News Corp.
David Rockefeller has been closely linked to CFR. He also founded the Trilateral Commission.
So I guess we can all sleep well. Rockefeller family is worth $110bn. Rothschilds own half the world – and I really mean this.
I have analysed big multinational companies as a job for 30 years. I have made thousands of fundamental analyses, read thousands of annual reports and financial statements.
But never in my life have I found it so difficult to understand the businesses of some group as when it comes to Rothschilds.
As you can see from the above, surely nothing sinister is going on. Top Eurocrats speak of year 2009 as “the first year of global governance” just for fun.
They want closer “fiscal union” without any ulterior motives.
The confidental report sent to the power elite titled “The Global World System” which I saw must have been a fake. In it world was divided into 10 zones.
No one wants a global system of governance to deal with global problems like climate change and financial crisis.
No one wants a world central bank even if they demand it openly in public.
Big corporations and banks are not a threat to democracy.
We are not witnessing the creation of New World Order – totalitarian global government structure.
All the articles in the Guardian and the Telegraph about new global currency backed by IMF, China, Russia, UN and the US must be misleading.
But there will not be any growth in Britain in 2012. Plan A is working, and it is hurting…
I thought Channel 4 News asked two of the most salient questions last night: how did this bizarre, unconstitutional arrangement continue for so long without anyone either noticing or blowing the whistle?; and how do we know that other Ministers haven’t done something similar?
Philip Hammond has the demeanour of an undertaker who has accidentally ingested embalming fluid. He is such a dull, boring, careerist politician that he makes Alastair Darling look like Russell Brand. But I suppose that’s his attraction for a PM looking for a safe, unthreatening automaton.
Justine Greening is more of a risk, judging by her interview by Andrew Neil at the Party Conference. Watching her failing to explain George’s new ‘credit easing’ wheeze was like watching a train crash. Of course George may not have explained it to her and may not have figured out how it would work himself. I think she eventually fell back on the line that all would be explained in George’s November statement. An expectant nation awaits with bated breath.
Alain Rolland has just destroyed the rugby world cup. A send off red card? What Planet are you from pal? Prepare for personal flack, you yellow belly total c*nt.
Let’s have it right, Werritty was a member of the public who just happened to be Fox’s mate. We need to know :
Why was he allowed to travel with Fox?
What meetings he attended?
What information was he was privy to?
Was this confidential?
Could it affect national security?
Why didn’t civil servants raise this earlier?
Why did the leak come from the press first?
Who were Werritty’s backers?
What were their interests?
If any of these “backers” were defence lobbyists then this becomes serious. Fox ordered 14 Chinooks from Boeing in the US, these could have been made in the UK under licence by Agusta/Westland as were the Apaches and the Sea Kings before them. There are now 375 jobs to go at Westlands due to this (plus others in the supply chain). As that factory in Yeovil is @ 33 miles from Fox’s constituency it appears odd he didn’t fight for the order to be made in the UK. However, Fox’s views on procurement are well known, he would rather always buy “off the shelf” US kit than British made kit.
We also have the decision to scrap £4 billion of Nimrod MRA4 aircraft, why weren’t these mothballed until Cameron’s “better times ahead” appeared?
Why did Fox allow our nuclear submarines to be undefended when leaving Faslane due to having no aircover able to detect Russian subs by using sonar buoys or MAD( magnetic anomaly detection)?
Also the decision to cut Typhoon was made probably in June due to the fact that four nations were in negotiation over this. Who made that decision, Fox or Osborne? Who decided to put 3,000 BAE workers at risk, plus others in the supply chain?
Why hasn’t Typhoon complete with the new E-Scan radar been ordered as was promised in the strategic review? This could mitigate job cuts and make Typhoon more exportable.
As you say we need more answers, Labour needs to go for the jugular and Cameron cannot be allowed to get away with “just moving on”. We have had serios lapses of judgement on Werritty, on Coulson (where there is still probably more to come out) and Letwin putting papers in the park bin.
If this had been Labour the tory press and the supine BBC would have been all them.
But never mind Duncan Phipp-macintyre, I am on the pop, and drowning my sorrows, HIC!
but I have Rollands address for a horses head in bed, honest… as if!
Not that I could ever bring myself to defend the Tories Alastair but your comment that the Fox episode ‘says a lot about how the Tories think’ fits well with the £38 billion “black hole” of unfunded commitments left by Labour within the MoD.
A good example of how Labour conducts business don’t you think?
I look into life, explore and implore,
to see how it is to not seen on floor,
But gladly viewed, from top to drawer,
ladies mainly proud keeping knawed.
Ladies of our country are so wonderful,
proud, and incredible caring to us manful.
Cracks me into tears with our ladies there,
while us lads sit in a pub and sit and stare.
I think no further comment will be required here, since it is the truth.
I’ll interrupt if I may …. by believing Fox’s assertions (copied already by Hammond) you actually are, inherently, bringing yourself to defend Tories.
Perhaps I’m wrong and you’ve seen actual evidence of what could well be more lies (very likely imhoo) from Fox et al, in which case I’ll eat my socks.
“Mr Osborne is closely connected to Rothschilds who own half the world.According to the Telegraph (Oct 2008) Lady Serena, the wife of Jacob Rothschild (worth £1.3bn),…….”
“Half the world”, Olli? You ought to know by now that continual overstatement, exaggeration and repetition you do not make nonsense become the truth.
I have told you a thousand times.
Total market capitalisation of publicly traded companies in September 2008 was $40tr. Total world GDP in 2010 was about $61.96tr.
The Rothschilds owned $100tr in 1850 in 2006 dollars. It has been said that this was more than half of the wealth of the entire planet.
How much they own today is a tricky question as money is in foundations etc.
According to Forbes Carlos Slim is worth $74bn, Bill Gates $56bn and Warren Buffett $50bn.
Gaylon Ross puts the total wealth of the Rothschilds today at $100tr. Some say it is $400tr.
Forbes tells only $1.5bn.
My own estimate is that Rothschilds are richer than Rockefellers – many times more. The Rockefellers are worth at least $110bn.
The ownership structure of the Rothschilds´ wealth makes it difficult to estimate the total figure.
The core global banking and private equity businesses are held by Concordia BV. Company is now controlled by Paris Orleans.
It manages $38.5bn of assets.
RIT Capital Partners has net assets of £2bn.
I have seen a chart of the Rothschilds´ current wealth, and it was so impressive that I was prepared to say that they own half the world even today.
Do you have some salt and pepper handy or perhaps a drink as your socks might just be wool? The following is from the Strategic Defence and Security Review from 2010, Section 2.3:
The Equipment Examination and subsequent Planning Round were successful in reducing the Defence budget’s forecast overspend by £15 billion. The Department estimate, however, that the Defence budget remains over committed by £6 billion over the next ten years; this assumes an annual increase of 2.7 per cent in their budget after the end of the current Comprehensive Spending Review settlement in 2010-11. If the Defence budget remains flat in cash terms after this time, then the extent of the over commitment widens to £36 billion. In either case the budget remains consistently unaffordable over the next ten years.
You might choose to think this is another set of lies but if it is then why should we believe anything from any government? Mmmm that’s a good question!
Re the match and in hopes of not sounding at all gnawed (eeeek !!)
by all accounts it was a bad eviction Ehtch 🙁
It’s amazing power that refs have
I think we can come up with a special bag for Mr Letwyn Duncan.
A kind of cross-body messenger bag with a shredder device at its top that he’d have to try to keep his fingers out of.
I wonder if faster trains might encourage more travel. When we might prefer jobs to move to where people live.
I have a talent, albeit gormless talent,
to spot men and women totally at it.
Playing life games innane and bollocksed,
which some of us look at as amusing and cursed.
However, this is the animal life which we are not denied,
tried foolishly blinkered many people bashing through ages tried.
Go Oz, is all i have to say.
Ofgs what is the point in repeating the same GOVERNMENT-produced tosh?
We are nearly all of us subjective and what rules/decides the place for our confidence is with whom one has faith about character and in whom one has none.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl1/Newsroom/DG_191706
You obviously have your faith in this Govt, you have to have it … no matter the squalid means by which it was cobbled together.
How in hell/heck (take your pick) can you pretend, today, that the particular version of subjective that Fox employed was in any way honest, why should anything he ever said or did be believed?
I have mine in the Govt we lost because of that cobbling prostitution by the whey-faced bloke that’s gorn all quiet recently. Bravo for the ID btw!
It would appear that you will only ever have ‘faith’ in a Labour administration irrespective of what they manage to cock up. Reminds me of one of my Labour friends who would vote for a monkey just so long as it had a red rosette pinned to it.
Of course Fox has cocked things up and should have gone as soon as this started but please stop ‘preaching’ after the joys of Mandelson et al. Governments seem to ‘attract’ distinctly undesirable characters witness Labour’s record over the last 13 years, and now we have Laws, Fox and no doubt others will follow.If your ‘leader’ had had his way he too would have been in bed with the ‘whey-faced bloke’ so, it doesn’t say too much about the position of the Labour party at that time. Just imagine the miserable Scottish git in the Rose Garden with the ‘quiet whey-faced bloke’. Actually it might have been even worse for Labour as no doubt they would have ‘fallen out’ in 2 minutes and the Tories would be in with a working majority.
Ps. did you enjoy your socks?
Yes MicheleB, ah-yes-well, is what I normally come out, and that is life with it’s bollocks also. But 24 hours has past, and I have got over it, almost. GRRRR!
Cats video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wf_IIbT8HGk
Agree it’s not just about one or two judgement calls.
The Observer has a scary piece today about Tory connections with the US far right (which includes US health moguls, before you ask). Fox, Osborne, Hague and Gove were involved in a curious charity called ‘Atlantic Bridge’ (read about it here). It was a nasty little coup we witnessed in 2010, wasn’t it? The sooner these characters’ hidden agendas are exposed, the better.
Surely the sack would be better than the bag you suggest?
Thanks Gbc 🙂
I’m getting quite worried about you Richard, that’s THREE WHOLE TITTERS you’ve made me do this weekend ……
That’s a great idea for a newspaper cartoonist, Michelle!
AC its New Labour’s fault that the Fox mess developed, the New Labour’s obsession with special advisors, operating outside the system, lets bury bad news on 9/11 where did that come from, this is about Iraq, you want to divert attention from expected critical report. As TB is Blair of Jerusalem in his words in a guess book in Saudi Arabia, someone is going to get in the neck, lets see, who has called himself the most unpopular man in the UK, the press really loath, who needs his own Spin Doctor these days to square his support for Tony Blair and Ed Miliband, who would that be? Also are you calling for Labour to release what it spent ten grand on while on the US for a defence review, the contacts, the meetings, the minutes of those meetings, ( yes not sofa government that leads to bad war ). On more serious point, after you have been in opposition for thirteen years and you don’t trust your own department, of course you will have your own private network! If I was Foreign Secretary or Defence I would not trust either civil servants. The FO is so pro Arab its beyond belief and Defence is in the hands of the military!! The Establishment in other words. Nice try with the diversion AC, as for the Hunt for Tony Blair, you can see why people liked him even today, he still has the TORY feckless charm, never accused of that!! I guess even mighty spin doctors have their day!
Fox and his ilk can set up any “departments” and companies with their own money that they like, distrust whomsoever they wish…….but they have to comply with charity law, company law, parliamentary and ministerial rules.
Have you considered restyling yourself as “Views from Rule Britannia 1740”?
The point about High Speed 2 is well made. We don’t know what Greening will think but it gives the Conservatives perfect cover to play to their Shire suppporters and decide HS2 is ‘not a good thing’. This ignores the huge economic benefits the project will bring. Appointing Greening also adds to the indecision around the replacement Inter City Express Programme, our aging HST fleet is in need of replacement and the longer DfT take to make a decision the greater the problems will be. The move suggests to me that Govt is going to kick McNulty into the long grass having wasted time and money yet again. The infuriating thing is that they hide behind the mantra ‘we’re clearing up the mess Labour left’ whilst people miss the point that they are making a total pigs ear of vast swathes of public policy.
By the way, odd that Letwin wasn’t promoted is it not. Such an able politician and a champion of open Government. “Wanna read sensitive documents, well just come to Green Park”
You’re talking through your ears, sort out your priorities and try to resist telling me what YOU think I think. It’s not how the world is.
I have lamented the loss of the Govt we had. Try to think about what THOSE words.
How on earth you can stand up to defend a lying cynical smearing *rap artist like Liam Fox, who (despite their competing with each other in the past) has been given every chance by his boss and was behind his back working against him from Day 1 ….. you make me larf.
The whey-faced bloke would never have been DPM with GB and that’s exactly why he is in bed with a bulliboy that despises him.
It’s a bit like the posh boy that uses the girl in the village for practice.
Funny vid Ehtch 🙂 I’ve watched the Dog Tease one dozens of times now and still get taken by surprise. We always had dogs when I was a kid but I went off them as an adult till I heard that awful story a few months ago about the little sniffer dog that had a seizure and died a few hours after seeing his soldier boss killed.
Leaving aside your fanciful accounting re the wealth of these people, Olli, what are you after? Exterminate them all and place all their funds into Labour party accounts? (Not by redistribution by taxation as this would place funds at the disposal of the coalition: Bad!)
Olli, you are foaming at the mouth. Have you had your rabies jab?
The wealth chart you saw in your dream, was it a pie chart? Did it spin? Could it have been a flying saucer? Are we to see the world taken over by economic theory crazed Finnish statisticians and their little green friends?
Do you recall Farty Meldman, and his sketch “A muffled titter ran round the room”?
The “mess left by Fox” – whatever that is – pales into infintesimal insignificance compared to the “mess left by Labour”, not least in that very Defence Department. A gigantic budget defecit, procurement out of control and not least Brown’s two aircraft carriers that we don’t need job creation scheme for Fife.
Oh for goodness sake M listen to yourself. GB would have gone to bed with anyone who would have ‘guaranteed’ him an extension……
Before you ‘claim’ certain things M, you should actually read what was written. Just explain where exactly I put in one good word for Fox, I was the one who said he should have gone!
I take it from your responses that you must be choking on those socks that you promised to eat……
I wish someone would explain what is ‘unfunded’ commitment (which I believe is most of the so-called £38m).
If you make an order/commitment for something to be made, something that will take a number of years, it is not usual to pay for it till it is ready and known to be satisfactory.
This applies to high street business procurement, to household decorations, to all sorts of establishments and contracts.
You know you will need the thing and order it according to the desired schedule and if you do this knowing you will have the dosh at the time you are acting as any business does.
So ……. what did ‘unfunded commitment’ mean in the snidey Fox version of the (our) language?
I don’t actually but I did like his horror fillum.
Very sad that he died so young.
Who prepared the chart Olli?
So why did GB not bribe Clegg as Cameron had?
Get over it, you have been let down, the LibDems were let down, the moral raisons d’etre of the Gang of Four and the Liberals were discarded for bribery and position.
He doesn’t even have a proper job fgs, he’s ‘sorted’ by being buried in paperwork he has no input to.
Instead of pretending to be working with a paymaster to water down what he might otherwise implement, why is Clegg not working with the someone with a more-similar philosophy?
You do know that most of his voters were either from left-leaning long-term middlings, along with gormless ingenues taken in by the TV debates OR (as it would seem you are) cynics simply enjoying ‘being in power’ LOL ….. beyond the margins.
Get my 4th para ‘WITH’ btw? Keep the nonsense that he’s working ‘against’, he’s simply Mr PutaGlossOnIt.
I doubt you read the post around it or opened this link :
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Nl…
These things are not written by Civil Servants.
Fox is NOT believable, what is the point of even pretending you believe about his ‘inheritance’.
You ‘speak’ with forked tongue if you claim not to defend him when you support his lies.
He shouldn’t even still be an MP by the end of the year.
Richard, not that my opinion will count much with you, but I believe Olli is entirely correct. As do many many other people also and not just the usual suspects either. It was Rothschild money that got the Rockefellers started in the first place.
Why do you think people are now “occupying Wall Street” and all the other protests that are going on here in the UK and other European countries.
Actually they haven’t got it quite right yet It’s the Federal Reserve Banks they should be targetting, but they are on the right lines.
This has nothing to do with anti-semitism btw the fact that the Rothschilds are Jewish is incidental. People like them care not in the least about the ordinary Jewish people.
The coverage of these recent and on going demonstrations has not been given much media coverage on the MSM either here or in the US. Why do you suppose that is? The fact that this odious family and it’s bought and paid for organisations and minions are simply carrying out the orders of their evil puppet masters.
I do realise how fanciful this may sound to a lot of people. I was very sceptical myself at first, being a down to earth sort of person. But after doing hours and hours of research, I am totally convinced. Sadly things were and are even worse than I could possibly have ever imagined.
Right v Left politics no longer exists in any meaningful way. Surely people can at least see that. e.g. Blair was regarded as blue labour and Cameron is regarded as a red tory.
On a personal note, my late parents knew exactly how the world was really run because my grandparents both sets had been in service to royalty and the landed gentry. In those days although the servants were treated very well, credit where it’s due. They were deffinately also regarded as “invisible” therefore anything and everything was discussed in front of the servants. I think this is common knowledge.
When my mum mentioned to me just in passing about the Illuminati, I thought she was mistaken and I didn’t think anymore about it until about a year ago. When I realised through my research that she had been right all along. These days few people especially the younger generation have never even heard of the illuminati. Since people have had TV’s they have been conditioned by a compliant media to think and believe what they are told to think and believe. The ridiculous myth/scam on man made global warming, for instance. Which is yet another con. to extract even more money from the ordinary working people.
Those Imperial Days, what was wrong with the British Empire?
Gordon Brown the WORST PM in history, even worse that Ted Heath and Neville Chamberlain, left the Country broke therefore the cuts, typical Labour, do a runner to the speech circuit and leave the rest of us the pay the Bill.
It’s billion not million.
I heard someone a few weeks ago describing just what the US debt would look like in cash. In $10 bills that have a certain measured thickness the pile of bills would reach the moon and back.
I suppose Mrs Rothschild’s pile would go even further and back, would it all tip over if she tried to pull a bill out to spend?
Are these funds counted in countries’ assets or not counted as they’re secret and if the latter does that actually mean the world is richer than we thought?
Oh look ……. butterflies :-s
Tangential University in France. Simply google “world governance by the rothschilds”, and check the bibliotecapleyades.net site chart.
I know fine well that it is. Pathetic opportunistic deflection around a typo.
Got any idea about the rest of it, given that Fox et al were very unlikely to have a clue what future budgets/planning Labour had in mind?
After all, he does seem like a specimen of a completely different type huh?
I don’t ‘simply google’ for the defined results that I hope for :-s
I googled Tangential University.
Calling itself an art establishment is a little disingenuous to my mind.
The rest of the world, savages as they were, benefitted greatly from the civilising, maternal way in which their wealth was nurtured by us, leaving behind a grateful, educated and progressive Commonwealth of nations as can be seen throughout Africa for example.
Catch a grip man!
Sorry MicheleB, you’ve lost me.
How are you going to redistribute the wealth of these bastards who own so much. Ask them nicely to give it all to you? Or take it and put them in labour camps?
You share theories with David Icke. My case rests!
“The ridiculous myth/scam on man made global warming, for instance.” Off to the T party with you.
I guess you can’t actually justify or explain the meaning of ‘unfunded commitment’ then?
In other words, you simply swallowed Fox’s distortion.
And still ‘drawing’ his salary 18 months after resigning as PM and been in the HoC about 5 times. What a wonderful example of an MP screwing us all simply to fill his own pockets. He is similar to the Sinn Fein lot, drawing their salaries but refusing to work for their money.
No I can’t MicheleB as I didn’t use the phrase in the first place.
If you were at all bothered about facts ‘libdem’ you would know that your ‘about 5’ is garbage. Perhaps, despite not being bothered, you know your figure is way off but you also know a slur in print is to some divvis akin to a fact.
GB must have his reasons for bothering less about HoC appearances than he has about all the attendances he has made elsewhere with fees to charity. We can all make our own assumptions about what they may be, I think in his place I might be behaving similarly! The Labour we have now is one that will take time to become anything like the one we had.
I’m sure GB’s constituents have far less need to worry about him and his respectability than Fox’s have, I’d be cringeing if in their shoes. As for having voted him in …….. ugh.
Ok M, tell me how many times he’s been there as you’re talking as if you actually know.
If we the people pay their wages and their pensions and their expenses don’t you think we should expect something in return? His ‘reasons for bothering less’ shouldn’t even come into it. Imagine in a normal job explaining to your boss that you’d be missing for a month or 2 yet still expecting him to carry on paying you as if you were present all the time; you’d be fired!
The way you keep on going on and on and on and on about Fox suggests some sort of unrequited love M……..
I’m not surprised that someone likes/Likes your dishonesty, rather like the way some have appreciated/swallowed Fox’s.
If you look to the ‘root’ of this exchange you will find “………not least in that very Defence Department. A gigantic budget defecit,
procurement out of control and not least Brown’s two aircraft carriers
that we don’t need job creation scheme for Fife……..”
That sounds to me like a convoluted way of echoing ‘unfunded commitment’.
The impression Fox conveyed is that the funds should have been there, designated, put aside right then.
Anybody in procurement knows that long-term manufacturing is not paid for till delivery/satisfaction.
I’d imagine that everybody in Govt (nay lad, make that everybody in Parliament) would / should have known that Fox would have made no attempt whatever to consider where / when the committed funding would come from when needed and that all the jolly little coalition supporters/cling-ons were happy to pretend they agreed.
Strange that if Osbo knows anything about the family firm (additional to knowing how much of it he owns) he could have explained to Fox (had he wanted things to be transparent).
Strange also that Mr Clean to Mr Has-been didn’t.
Do you really not know how to check Mr Brown’s attendances libdem?
It’s very easy to know the real figure rather than spout re ‘about 5’ …..
I’ll tell you how … give you the link if you don’t know :-s
All you need do is whistle 😉
I thnk that beng an MP imbues a person with (equires from them) using their time wisely. I want my MP to do what’s relevant. I believe mine has a good attendance record but is not known to have ever spoken :-s
Do you really think that attendance is a good measure even if it only results in them behaving prescriptively?
Curds&WheyFace (I do hate feeling this way about a fellow human) certainly fulfils any attendance criteria …. sitting there all pasty-faced next to his controller ….. silent, obedient, relying on the missus to let us all know how difficult he’s finding it all 🙂
You want to bother yourself about GB’s expenses? Why don’t you check up on them rather than pickling your innards with specious supposing?
Lastly libdem ….. don’t be so reliant on an ID …. I could be a Michael or even a eunuch and therefore not vulnerable to your coy ramblings about male/female. Grow up fgs.
I think the lady, eunuch or whatever doth protest too much! You’re apparently more full of bile than facts M. You should try getting out more and meeting people….now I’m bored!
Not a lot of point in continuing from the same root Libdem, it’s reaching the width for only one word to a line.
I don’t think my posts are any more bilious than your own, so share the situation. For you to introduce a sexist jibe makes you, imhoo, pretty cheap.
However …..yes, I am massively disappointed that pretenders to integrity are doing what they are, misusing their supporters’ votes (but I’m also aware of how those mostly-left leaning voters have eventually been bought by the simple notion of feeling they are part of power).
The honourable way would have been letting the Tories rule in minority.
The honourable way would have been for LibDems to vote independently topic by topic.
LD supporters should have thought, pre-election ‘Hang on a mo, this bloke’s saying he’ll pair up with anybody’.
No wonder Cameron treats him as his type might use the girl in the village.
It’s not going to work; likeable cheeky chappie Pres of your party must know very well (he’s clever enough) that come the next election NObody will believe that the ‘divorce’ is anything other than a grubby postcard offering wife / husband swap services.
Choosing the partner Clegg did last year, as well as giving certain LDs better 2nd salaries than GB’s offer apparently did, also served to put him in to a coalition with an unjustifiable majority.
Not the proper way to use their national share of the vote imhoo.
http://electionresources.org/uk/house.php?election=2010